321 to 323: According to the ordinary people Vishnu creates all creatures celestial, hellish, sub-human and human; if according to the Sramanas, the soul creates his six kinds of organic bodies, then between the popular doctrine and the Sramana doctrine, both being identical, no difference can be perceived. For the people it is Vishnu that creates and for the Sramanas it is the Self that creates. Thus if the ordinary people and the Sramanas both believe in the doctrine of perpetual creation of worlds, human and divine, then there is no such thing as moksha or liberation discernible in their doctrine.