63. If, as you maintain, the samsara-jivas the empirical egos are identical with the characteristics of colour, etc., then these empitical souls will be endowed with physical forms.

64. If, according to thy philosophy, O Thou deluded one, (soul gets physical form) then it is matter that assumes the form of jiva in samsara and it is again the very same matter that figures in nirvana, the state of liberation of the soul.